​Dreams. I'm drawn to the world of dreams and their meaning. A dream leads us to see images with our eyes closed; I find that idea powerful because it involves looking inward. My first impulse to think about Oca was a dream and my curiosity to discover its meaning. The overthinking that was unleashed in me by the enigma of having dreamed something cryptic and unfinished frustrated and fascinated me.

Religious universe. I'm from San Luis Potosí, a place in the center of Mexico that has always navigated under the concept of a town-city. It's never been clear which category it falls into; in fact, I'd say it's both. It's also a place as conservative as it is surreal, with stories that border on sanctity and others that border on scandal and absurdity. Several artists, such as Leonora Carrington and Edward James, settled here to create part of their work.

I had a Catholic upbringing for much of my life, thinking that religion was a way of life that emphasized learning and, in some ways, transcendence. At a very young age, I watched religious films in school about miracles, apparitions, and journeys. It seemed like a fantasy to me that dreams dictated the course of hundreds of events at that time, and that, as a result of dreams, revelations, annunciations, and predictions would be confirmed, marking the course of faith.

I remember a film that obsessed me for a time. It was about the apparition of the Fatima Virgin to three children. No one but them had seen what they thought was a divinity. They then had dreams that they understood as messages that were later communicated to the people. No one doubted their veracity. The dream meant something, but the interpretations were multiple.

The OCA game. The OCA game is a traditional Spanish game adapted by Mexico. It consists of a small board with a path along which you can advance or retreat based on the roll of the dice and the twists and turns of the squares. I once read that the game's path represented a coded guide to the Camino de Santiago in Compostela, an iconic pilgrimage route said to represent life, death, and chance. So, Oca was born from that idea of ​​pilgrimage and dreams.​